Downloaded from: justpaste.it/5xcqk Stand Out Get Noticed podcast guest Richard Blank Costa Rica's Call Center.The C Method #283 The C Method provides public speaking and communication skills training for high performing professionals.As a manager and leader, your ability to speak up, present with confidence and communicate well is key to career success.You may be highly skilled, intelligent and work harder than anyone, but if you can’t articulate your ideas clearly, engage your team or influence others to take action, it will hold you back from getting the promotions, opportunities, and recognition you deserve. Listen to the 'Stand Out Get Noticed' podcast. Now at 2 million+ downloads! Discover how to develop a success mindset, speak with confidence, articulate yourself clearly and build strong relationships for more influence and impact in the workplace. Topics include: public speaking, mindset, social skills, overcoming fear, workplace communication, relationships and leadership. Have you ever wanted to have more influence over the phone? My guest this week is Richard Blank, CEO of Costa Rica’s Call Centre. He is a master of the cold call, and has trained over 10,000 telemarketers to improve their communication techniques over the phone.Richard is here to share his powerful techniques for improving your ability to lead and influence in conversation – and some of them are much simpler than you think!This will benefit you if you want to build better relationships and be more persuasive with your team, senior managers and clients. “I love to allow people to feel more comfortable with me, to become more engaged in a conversation. This is not a lecture, and I’m not just checking off boxes and interrogating you. It’s a conversation. And it’s I mean, I don’t learn anything new when I speak. I love hearing what other people have to say to see what I have in common.” This is Richard Blank’s story... My name is Richard Blank and I’m the CEO of Costa Rica’s Call Center. I’m skilled in reading phonetic micro expressions and use this to my advantage when speaking with people, especially over the phone. I’ve found that by using someone’s name, asking how their company is doing, and sharing interesting facts about myself, I’m able to build rapport and influence the person I’m speaking with. This has been beneficial in both my personal and professional life. In this episode, you will discover: Phonetics is the purest form of communication, the sound of speech, not the semantics or even the tone. The tone of voice should always be positive and empathetic. 0 seconds to 2 minutes is the best time to gauge a person. How to gauge someone. They discuss some of the techniques they use to do it. Richard believes in open-ended questions and specific name drops. He also believes in the art of speech and meeting minutes to avoid conflict. Richard’s advice to people is to be authentic. When he was in his 20s, he tried to change his personality for a job interview, but he realised it was not going to work for him. Now he allows people to grow naturally. He believes that people that feel seen, they feel heard, and they feel like they matter through the way that they communicate with others. Christina Canters: Hi everyone. Christina Canters from the C Method here. So excited for you to be joining me today for the the podcast. I'm so excited to be joined today by Richard Blank, the CEO of Costa Rica's call Center. We're gonna have a really, Interesting conversation. I'm quite excited today because Richard is very skilled in very specific areas of communication and reading people, and building relationships and influencing others that I'm sure you will absolutely get a lot of value out of. So thank you so much for joining us, Richard. Richard Blank: Christina, so happy to be with you today and I got tons of great gems to share with you and your amazing audience. Christina Canters: Awesome. Now. Christina Canters: Hey Richard, uh, when you first reached out to me and said, Hey, I think I've got something of value to share to your audience. You talked about micro facial expression reading. I'm actually gonna say that again. Phonetic micro expression, reading for mastering, verbal tell tale Tell science. Now that was that ped my interest because I have not learned anything before about phonetic micro-expression reading. Can you share what that even is? Absolutely. I would love to, and I think your audience will find it fascinating. You mentioned earlier about facial expressions and there's nothing wrong. With reading someone's body language. In fact, most people are used to reading people's expressions. Now, I always believe in congruence where the audio is supposed to match the visual. Now, in my industry, owning a call center, the majority, if not all of the calls, are sight unseen. So phonetics to me, Christina, is probably the purest form of communication. The sound of speech, not the semantics or even the tone. Okay? And so with the phonetic micro expression, What I would like to show your audience is a very simple x, y chart, okay? The tone of voice should always be positive and empathetic, so you show confidence and you show empathy. Now, there's a technique called mirror imaging. People use this in sales and public speaking, interpersonal communication and conflict management. I use it for manipulation because if you have a consistent variable, you can see inconsistencies. So you and I can gauge somebody on how fast and how loud they speak. I believe 30 seconds. Two minutes are probably the best sort of segments to gauge somebody. And if you happen to see a spike or a dip, it's usually when you ask a tie down or clarification question to somebody. And so these are usually for first time phone calls or when you know somebody for a long period of time and even face to face. If you happen to close your eyes and take out the distraction, you might be able to pinpoint this. Now, I believe that a tone rate in a pitch could be manipul. So that's why I the answering speed this subconscious that people have, they're not consistent and that's pretty much the insurance policy to see if they're being consistent. Now, I don't want to put somebody on the spot. Or let them know they're being facetious and not being honest with me. So maybe I might ask them to reexplain it using their other senses or another way to keep it simple for me just to see that they're consistent. And so, um, while you're on the phone and I was doing it for years, it can seem monotonous and boring. And so I was trying to see if I could bite an apple while juggling, not acting a fool and wasting my time and not doing good work. But there, but there's gotta be some. That we can crack and other levels that you and I can master, so we could become a little more lucid on the phone and not just complacent, because most people do not show active listening. They're halfway there. And then a lot of times there's crosstalk or miscommunication. So a lot of the times we can almost control the conversation. It's just by being very engaged in it, and so that could really assist your audience when focusing in concentration on someone's phonetic speech. You're looking to gain 30 seconds for a pass to pitch a sale. Stand Out Get Noticed podcast guest Richard Blank Costa Rica's Call Center.[The C Method podcast Episode 283] Christina Canters: So, Richard, can we take a step back? You mentioned earlier that when you say, when you're wanting to gauge someone, so when we bring it right back, you know, let's say like we're for someone who's in the workplace, they're working with a team, or maybe they're speaking to a, a high level manager, um, or a client, let's say yes. What, why? Why are these techniques useful in terms of gauging? So what are we actually gauging with the other person and how does that then benefit us or benefit the relationship? Richard Blank: Fantastic. Christina, you're really gaging positive or negative reinforcements, and since if it's someone you've known for a long time, you know if he gets you, but if it's someone you don't know and you can't see them, I don't know if you're nodding, taking notes or with me. And so a lot of the times in the beginning, it's a very delicate area. To where you should listen twice and you speak. There's a very good time by asking open-ended questions that people will tell you what they're looking for. So you could have been way off. And also there's an attention span. And so I believe by doing specific name drops, it's more towards transitional sentencing or tie downs, and every sentence has personal pronouns like a your or an R. So these are trigger words. Every sentence where I can just bring you in, bring you in, and then knock it in for the close. And so, um, I always believe in military alphabet because there's a lot of the times things are misspelled or mispronounced, and the last thing you want is an email bouncing back. And these individuals, it's very time sensitive. So if you think that you're getting 10 minutes, you're, you're sadly mistaken, my friend. You're looking to gain 30 seconds for a pass to pitch. And you're not pitching for 10 minutes, you're doing ten one minute pitches like a boxer and around, because this is like, when we're nothing, things Christina Canters: can adjust. Yeah. So this is like when, so, so let's say we're having a phone call with someone and I mean, this could even be face to face right? As well. Yes. So, so, so what I'm hearing is that, um, we have a very short amount of time to influence. On the phone or face to face. So we need to be constantly keeping an ear out and gauging what their reaction is to us so that we can keep adapting. Our style of communication is Richard Blank: that, but my friend, we're not looking to do a cold call close every time you and I, for an example, we had to communicate multiple times because of scheduling conflicts. It wasn't anything bad, but life happens and you and I were professional. We communicated in real. And we are extremely flexible for convenience, and I think that was wonderful prior to jumping on this podcast today. And that's not even a sale. It's just because you and I wanna work together and have an episode together. But I, I think if people are able to gauge boundaries, and maybe somebody would like to review your credentials before a contract, or maybe what you and I could have done today is move forward three or four paces and then tomorrow. We can always pick up where we left off. And how about this one? Unless there is a major sense of urgency, give somebody the luxury of time, allow them the ponder, sleep on it, write a draft, and maybe not send it because the next day you might even make more progress that way. Then you would if you felt like you needed to force somebody's. on a previous conversation. And so, um, I, I always believe that if you start something, it could always grow and you should never compare it to stuff you've done in the past. And each, each individual, it's almost like a riddle. And you know, how about this? I'd rather collect a million dimes than just gimme $100 bill. And so things can be chipped. Masterpieces can be molded and worked on. And some of your best relationships, and you know this well, have been over a decade and these things are five minute conversations, the two hour lunches, and that's the way I look at an individual. You, you and I, my friend, don't know what's happening outside the office. There might be something distracting them or influencing their decision, so give them the benefit of the doubt. Give them two or three different types of shoes to fit in. And then you'll know how to walk with them. Christine? Yeah. Christina Canters: Do you have an example, Richard, of like a personal example of where you had to chip away at, you know, you know, collect the dimes as you say, in order to get that final end result that you wanted? Richard Blank: Sure, and I was actually able to give myself major momentum in the beginning. Two things I did. When I like to prospect companies, I use my anonymity to my advantage. Not for the whole call, cuz that's shady, but my first impression is not to ask for your boss or to, you know, trip up on my intro. Usually I like to do a company name spike and I'll ask how the company is doing, so at least it sounds like a mystery shopper. This phone technique really reduces any sort of defense from a gatekeeper or filter. Stand Out Get Noticed podcast (The C Method Episode 283) guest Richard Blank Costa Rica's Call Center. Christina Canters: Do you have an example, Richard, of like a personal example of where you had to chip away at, you know, you know, collect the dimes as you say, in order to get that final end result that you wanted? Richard Blank: Sure, and I was actually able to give myself major momentum in the beginning. Two things I did when I like to prospect companies, I use my anonymity to my advantage. Not for the whole call, cuz that's shady, but my first impression is not to ask for your. Or to, you know, trip up on my intro. Usually I like to do a company name spike and I'll ask how the company is doing. So at least it sounds like a mystery shopper. I've been there before and it really reduces any sort of defense from a gatekeeper or filter. Christina Canters: Wait, can I just pause you there, Richard? Sorry. So who I need you to really like, like take me through this process. So who's the person you're speaking with initially? Richard Blank: Anybody. But if it's a first time impression for a secretary or a gatekeeper answering a call, right? A gatekeeper to a, the security guard or a elevator attendant up front, or even the president themselves. The first thing I'm gonna do is either say their name or especially the name of their company, which they're so proud of, better than they did. And so at least what it's done is, and you know this, it's gave me 30 seconds, at least 30 seconds to then once again, properly introduce myself and just to see if I can snap 'em out of this zone of cold calls, hangups and bothering, just to let 'em know that Christina and Richard are are, are just here to properly introduce ourselves and. Prior to a contract, once I get transferred, let's just say hypothetically from your assistant to you, I will let you know verbally with a positive escalation how amazing your assistant was. I'll do it in writing at the end of the call, regardless of what happens in the middle of the call. Just just to separate myself, Christina, from the other. Secrets to properly introduce yourself on the phone. Stand Out Get Noticed podcast (The C Method Episode 283) guest Richard Blank Costa Rica's Call Center. Christina Canters: Prospecting, you. Can we role play this? I would love to. Let's role play this. So can I, I'm gonna pretend that I'm the secretary. Right. And did I hear you say before that you say the company name better than how we would say it? How's Richard Blank: the C method doing today? ? Yeah, let's reaction , you know? Christina Canters: Um, let's play this. Okay, so I'm gonna be the secretary and then I'm gonna put you through to me, Christina, and I wanna hear how, what's Richard Blank: your secretary's name, who you're gonna be in Charact. Christina Canters: Uh, let's make my secretary Aaron, my husband . Richard Blank: I love it. There you go. Are you gonna use a gr voice when you answer the phone? Being Christina Canters: character? He's very friendly, but I'll make, try to make my voice deeper. There you go. Okay, so ring, ring, ring, ring. Hello, the same method. This is Aaron speaking. Richard Blank: Hey Aaron. How's the SEA Method doing today? Christina Canters: Oh, you know, ticking along. That's what he would say, . Richard Blank: Well, that sounds good to me. My name is Richard Blank, and I'd like to see if I might be able to speak with Christina for a minute, Christina Canters: please. Uh, can I ask what the call's Richard Blank: regarding? Absolutely, Aaron. The reason for this phone call is that I'm in Costa Rica. I got an amazing call center. I collect pinball machines INXS is my favorite band in Australia, and I just would like to touch base with it for 30 seconds to properly introduce myself. Christina Canters: Oh wow. What kind of pinball machines Richard Blank: do you have? Oh my goodness gracious. My oldest is a 1976 Ballet's Freedom. I got 13 of. One man's trash is another man's treasure. And I'm so glad, Erin, that you brought that up. I tell you what, when you ever come and visit in Costa Rica, we'll do a pinball marathon. How does that sound? Christina Canters: That sounds absolutely fantastic. I love, I love me bit of vintage, uh, gaming. Uh, alright. I'll put you through to Christina. Richard Blank: She should be available Before you transf me or I just wanna let you know that you did an excellent job and when I speak to Christina, I'm gonna let her know that. Christina Canters: Thank you. That means our, our marriage is strong, man. Still strong. . I'll transfer her through. Excellent. Then ring, ring, ring, ring. Uh, hello, Christina Richard Blank: speaking. Hey Christine, this is Richard Blake. I just gotta let you know that Erin is probably the greatest employee that I've ever spoken to. You should be very proud working. Christina Canters: Ah, thanks Richard. Um, can I ask her Richard Blank: what the call's about? Well, absolutely. He was kind enough to transfer. My name is Richard Blank. I'm with Costa Rica's call center, and I just wanted to touch base and introduce myself. Let you know I got a great call center in Central America. I collect pinball machines in excess is my favorite band. And I just wanted to share some of our services with you to see if this is something that you may be interested in. Christina Canters: Awesome. All right. Pause, role play. Big round of applause, Richard . Richard Blank: But check it out. When I call your company back and I speak to your amazing husband, you know he is gonna remember me and he's also going to thank me for saying that to you and in writing. And then he might also tell me your direct extens. In anniversary or promotion, something of your company culture that may move the ball forward a bit. And those are the sort of things, my friend, that we just paid it forward. And as you can see, your husband actually gave me the pass, the pitch. So rock on. I got you. . Christina Canters: Can I, okay. So can I summarize what I believe you. Yes ma'am. So firstly, you said you asked how the company was going and you said the C method name. With so much joy and excitement that I got excited just hearing, you know, what my company was up to. So that was one thing. Yeah. The second thing you used Aaron's name, you said, hi Aaron, how are you doing? You know, how are you doing? Um, which I believe builds that rapport cause people also love hearing their own names. You also mentioned a couple of interesting facts about yourself that I wouldn't have expected on an initial call. Exactly. So you said you've got a pinball collection and that in excess is your favorite band. Why do you do that? And is that random and weird? Richard Blank: No, because I'm extremely proud of in excess and everybody in the world should listen to them. Um, why? Because if not, I'm gonna sound like everybody. And you're gonna hang up on me and it's gonna put a bad taste in your mouth. And yes, you don't need my pinball machines and I'm sure you love inaccessible. What's that have to do with the C method? It's got a lot to do with the C method. Everything's got to do with everything. A style that immediately anchors with the client 100%. Stand Out Get Noticed podcast (The C Method Episode 283) guest Richard Blank Costa Rica's Call Center. Richard Blank: Because I'm letting you know that I'm vulnerable. I'm showing with you three or four things that I do it my call center by playing pinball with the agents by moving from Philadelphia to Costa Rica by once again talking about walkabouts and in excess and stuff. At least I'm showing some major interest. And you're amazing country. Yeah. And so, um, these are the sort of soft skills that could be a me too technique that someone could. I, I chose three different things. Travel, music and games and business. And so one of 'em had to hit, I could talk about food if you want . You're not gonna do shrimps on the barbie. Yeah, I could have done that one, but everyone does that one. But, um, yeah, and I, I, I try to be non-threatening. I don't do this on every call. I mean, once again, someone says, who are you? Well, that's when we used the buffer boomerang technique. Not saying Aaron's tone was negative. But sometimes they are. And so what I like to do is do the name draw, let 'em know it's an excellent question. Repeat the question for active listening, and send it positive. And you know what my favorite part was before I was transferred to Christina? The fact that I was just about to get transferred. I stopped there and stop, stop, stop. And I'm getting transferred. I could have killed the call, but I said, stop. I gotta let you know. That I'm gonna compliment you, . You Christina Canters: gotta be feeling me. Oh, I love that. Yes, yes, of course you do. It's a positive Richard Blank: escalation. Some people get paid on that at call centers and other companies, but it's really, so how about this one, Christina? Imagine if, if hypothetically, Aaron transferred me to the mail room. And then I got transferred over into it, and then I got transferred over here and there. I write everybody's name down. So even though I spoke about Aaron, imagine if I mentioned two or three people. You'd be like, who are you? You got passed around. My company, no one speaks to Matt in the, in the mail room. I go, he's like the nicest guy I ever met. Don't tell me that. That immediately anchors. With the client, hundred percent. It's yours. Hundred percent. It's yours to lose, Christina Canters: and if the person doesn't say their name, I'm assuming you ask for their name. Richard Blank: They don't need to. I just need to say my name. And I have to let them know and if I'm about to transfer them and they still don't wanna gimme the name, err. Put out your nails. Well, good for you. Why don't you have a nice lunch? Relax a little bit. You should be a little sweeter on the phone. But let me put to you this way, you know perfectly wont. When I get transferred to you, I'm going to get their name cuz I'm gonna compliment Mr. Or Mrs. Bidder. And then when I call you company back, I'm be like, how you Christina Canters: doing Buddy And they're gonna be, how did you get my name? You know, I was gonna get your. Richard Blank: You remember me, and then they love me to death. I, I, I get them. The shed is skin a little bit. Once someone gets complacent, especially is the first impression of a company that's terrible. They should be bells and whistles, trumpets, red carpets, guns a blazing. And so maybe it's just to remind them that they need to sell that sizzle and to bring somebody in appropriate. So you can meet in the middle and start strong. That's, that's just my thought. Hm. Christina Canters: Can we talk about the buffer boomerang technique? Because you held up the piece of paper and for the people who are listening on the audio, can you explain, so I'm gonna read it now. So at one side there's buffer and a two in the circle, and then there's a, it's like a smiley face. And at the other end of the smiley face it says boomerang. And underneath it says, that is a good question. Can you explain, Richard, what the buffer boomerang Richard Blank: technique is? Well, you saw the negative two in the buffer cuz someone's negative. And so what I need to do is I need to buffer the negative name, drop you to get your attention. Again, I can't say it's a great question every time. You can't beat that horse of death, but let's just use it to the, that's an excellent question. Repeat the question back, which I did to Aaron, and then send it, and if your audience can't see or the ones that can, I was smiling the entire time talking to you, and I was leaning forward the entire time using my hands as illustrators. To give myself that balance and rhythm. I mean, you could tell, and there are certain extended pauses. I like to adjust my voice to go really high and then to loud whispers to make a statement. Christina Canters: So why is that effective? Why, why is that Richard Blank: effective? Because monotony, you only catch a, a monotonous speaking in monotone. You catch one in five. So you really need to, it's almost like a dessert tray, Christina, you, you don't bring everything out on one level. You know how they have it stacked in different levels so you can see it and enjoy it. Each one deserves its own marquee and imagery, and so each one deserves its pause to see if there's a positive or negative reinforcement. You never know, and I don't like jumping the gun because some people could be so amazed. And they're pondering and they're waiting to say something back. And so I love to allow people to feel more comfortable with me, to become more engaged in a conversation. This is not a lecture, and I'm not just checking off boxes and, and, and interrogating you. It's a conversation con with sation. And it's, I mean, my, I don't learn anything new when I. I love hearing what other people have to say to see what I have in common. And I get a lot of compliments for being a very good listener. And I take copious notes. I believe in meeting minutes because there's accountability. People might forget something. And it's just an excellent way to avoid any sort of conflict and, and you could take the initiative, you can be proactive, you can make sure the target dates are hit and the times to call back are. , um, everyone needs to lead the dance. Might as well be you and allowing them to think that they are, which is fine. Christina Canters: Oh, you've trained thousands. I know about like 10,000 call center, uh, sales people a a lot. Um, this is your bread and butter. This is what you're really good at. Yeah. What you were talking about before in terms of your voice going up and then a pause. Uh, I'm trying to, I'm trying to do it, uh, right now, but I'm not sure how effective it's been. How do you go Richard Blank: back? You gotta do the quarter second slide. Christina Canters: The quarter, second slide. Where do you do that at the end of the sentence? Richard Blank: No, no, no, no, no, no. There's, there's even forced stutters that you can do. I, it's, it's natural speech. The, the greatest form of speech, my friend is sincerity. And so you can tell there's certain subjects where I extend and there's others like I did earlier with that phonetic micro expression reading. It was almost military. I was just going through it quick and and banging it out. But I believe in the art of speech, there's nothing better than that. The source. So you can expand on your vocabulary with similes. For an example, I don't like to use the word help, I think Okay. That you could adjust it with a certain assisting. How about a guiding tone? And my favorite Christina is lending a hand sort of approach. Okay. And so just that way alone, you can almost give yourself an advantage in regards to your momentum because you're being sincere, you are standing solid ground and obviously, , you are very excited about what you're talking about. It could be any subject, but here's the beauty of it. You don't need to sell anything first. Put that stuff away. You and I should be talking about our lives prior to me sharing my products with you. Now, how about this as a salesman, no one ever bats a thousand, but you gotta let me go the 15 rounds, or at least I gotta earn it. And from an educated point of view, make a decision. If, if I explain everything and. The sweetest peach in you just don't like peaches. I'm willing to accept that, but we're good. Thanks. No, thank you. Click. You didn't even gimme a chance. And so these techniques that I do in the beginning, I'm not lying, I'm not compromising ethics, values of morals, but my goodness, Aaron heard me say the name of your company better than he did. I answered him well. I got excited. He, I cracked enough codes to transfer the call and I also gave a gift. And so these are the sort. First impressions that you can do that is just natural. There's no money exchanged. All you're doing is just putting your best foot forward and, and that should make for amazing days where you jump clouds, where every call could be 80% the same, but there's still 20% special sauce. I mean, you do like a certain topping on your ice cream, and I love those sort of things. I always try to look for that on every single. Christina Canters: Okay, so it's like you, you don't even need to change a lot of how you're talking. It's, it's maybe tweaking a few of those things, especially to start with. So if someone's never even thought about this before, never thought about their tone, or thought about making that great first impression, these are some tiny tweaks that they could start to do in order to make, you know, put the icing on on top. Like you say, Richard Blank: Richard had you practice. Yeah, they need to record themselves. No one likes having a sound, but they do realize that they can make that sort of adjustment. Maybe they have certain actors or actresses where they find that their tone of voice is not offensive. They like their rhetoric. They like their delivery. Some people watch Pacino movies like Sent of a Woman, and they get inspired. Others will see the Wolf of Wall Street or Glen Gar. Glen Rosson get inspired or, or how about, uh, dead Poet Society? You might see a movie or you know, or Patch Adams when you have an inspirational doctor or teacher that could then move you. And inspire you. And so maybe you study that sort of rhetoric because the market speaks Christina, because as much as movies and you and I have our opinion, if the masses get influenced by a speech or by an action, that is what you should study and, and potentially try to emulate. I've been there before and it really reduces any sort of defense from a gatekeeper or a filter. Christina Canters: What do you say to people who might be listening, who might be thinking, well, what about me just being my authentic self? You know, if I'm trying to emulate someone else, isn't that then me becoming inauthentic or not true to myself in terms of how I communicate? What would you say to those people? Richard Blank: Excellent question and, and let me rephrase that and thank you very much. You, you need to be you, because if you try to be somebody else, you're not gonna last long. You'll get caught after 20 minutes. And so since English is their second language in Costa Rica, really my suggestions were about proper grammar. So they'd watch the bbc or they'd listen to Australia television and they would hear the different pronunciations so they can get the ear for it for the different clients. But there are certain dialect. You do pronounce words differently than we do in Philadelphia, compares to Queens English, and, and it's fine. It's all beautiful speech, but as long as they keep training their ear, they, they might like, as I mentioned before, if they listen to something in parliament, a transitional sentence or a way that someone was able to diffuse conflict by saying, for my clarification, Christina, for my edification. Compared to, excuse me. What'd you say? Could you repeat that? Or, as we discussed earlier, with word choices from help to lending a hand that's still authentic, these people aren't changing. All we're doing is assisting them in growing and giving them more, giving them more self-confidence and self- reliance. That is all. And so they would be capable of listening, contribut. And giving that sort of impression to where people will wanna move forward and work with them, but it is practice now, if I could make some suggestions just for my own personal growth. I love television. I love all time radio, and so my favorite speakers were Basil Wrath Bone back in the forties and fifties. I enjoyed very much Jeremy Brett that did a Sherlock Home series in the eighties, and I, I liked Pierce Brosnan as Remmington Steel and Dirk Benedict as Templeton Peck in the A Team. I thought these were phenomenal, glib, clever, poised, balance speakers, and I gravitated towards that and I thought that it was very nice and and charming. To be able to have an extensive vocabulary to sit up straight, to speak. Well, and and I realize that a lot of doors open that way for you. You might get a second plate of food in someone's house, , you might get that back. And Christina Canters: For you, star, when did you first realize that this type of skill was so powerful? Richard Blank: When I was a young man, I was, I was taught when you go over to a friend's house to wipe your feet and ask for permission and, and just. Know, your pleases and thank yous. And so instead of being known in elementary school as a bad child and not asked to come back, most of the parents said, you're one of the few friends I allow Christina to hang out with. And so, um, I realized that by being polite was better than cursing. It's better to clean a window than to break a window. And, you know, you could always grow up and, and, you know, live life and, and figure out the stupid things to do in your childhood. . But when I was in my twenties and individuals were going for job interviews and they were too well rehearsed, they would stumble upon themselves.