Shaikh Abdul Hamid Rahmani (may Allah preserve him) Replies to Dr.Zakir Naik --who made mockery of the ijmah of Salaf. [ Deen e Rahmat Conference (of Jamiat e Ahle Hadeeth, India)- April 6th 2003, Diamond Market premise, Bandra Kurla complex, Bandra, Mumbai, India ] Shaykh al-Albaanee - rahimahumullah - said: "However, there are some who claim knowledge who deny this ascription, claiming that it has no foundation, saying: "It is not permissible for a Muslim to say: I am Salafi." And it is as if he is saying: "It is not permissible for me to say: l am following the Salafus-Saalih in what they were upon in 'aqeedah, worship and manners!" And there is no doubt that the likes of this denial - if that is what is meant - implies that he is disassociating himself from the correct Islaam that the Salafus-Saalih were upon ... Thus it is not permissible for a Muslim to disassociates himself from being ascribed to the Salafus-Saalih. If, however, he freed himself from any other nisbah ( ascription ), then none of the people of knowledge could accuse him of disbelief or sinfulness. However, the one who refuses calling himself with this name Salafi, then it should be seen, does he attribute himself to a particular madhhab - whether in matters of 'aqeedah or fiqh" So perhaps he will call himself an Ash'aree or a Maatareedee, or he may be from Ahlul-Hadeeth, or a Hanafee, Maalikee, Shaafi'ee or Hanbalee - from those matters which enter into the term Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaa'ah. Despite that fact that the one who ascribes himself to the Ash'aree madhhab, or the four well-known madhhabs, then he has ascribed himself to those who are not protected from making mistakes as individuals - even though there are from them Scholars that attain what is correct. So why O why do they not reject the likes of these ascriptions to individuals who are not protected from mistakes? However, as for the one who ascribes himself to the Salafus-Saalih collectively - then he ascribes himself to that which is protected from mistakes." [Al-Asaalah Magazine 9/87] Few proofs of the Ijmah of Salaf (taken from lectures in www.troid.org on topic of methodology-manhaj) Our beloved Prophet salAllahu aliahiwasallam said to his beloved daughter Fatima radhiAllahu anha : "O Fatima am to you a righteous Salaf." Shaikhul Islam Ibn Taimiyya rahimahumullah, recordedin Volume 4 of Majmoo Fatawa ibn Taimiyya -- its obligatory to ascribe to the madhhab of the salaf (i.e. to call oneself as salafi)the one who ascribes him to salaf(means, he calls himself salafi) it has to accepted from him with complete acceptance,and there is ijmah upon this. Shaikh Muhammed Naasirudeen al albani rahimahumullahu tala, the great scholar muhadithul asar, the mujadid of hadeeth and sunnah and salafiyya of our time the reason we call ourself salafi is because all of the other deviated muslims call themself sunni, so we have to distiguish ourself we call ourself salafi. Shaikh Abdul Azeez Abdullah ibn Baaz rahimahumullah it is obligatory to distiguish between truth and false, so we have to ascribe ourself as salafis or atharis or the like there of ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ After Dr. Zakir naik making mockery of the title and name ahle hadeeth, Muqeem Faizi replied in brief. and when there was questions pouring in continuously on calling and identifying oneself as ahle hadeeth, inorder to clarify and avert the confusion put by Dr.Naik, Muqeem Faizi invited Shaikh Abdul Hamid Rahmani (may Allah preserve him) to respond and clarify the point Reply of Shaikh Abdul Hamid Rahmani hafdhhullah to Dr.Zakir Naik. Assalaamu alaykum warahmatullahi wabarakatahuh, In right sense this type of basic questions have to be asked by the organizers of the conference who are responsible and have arranged for these kind of meetings. Unfortunately a person like me who is a sinner, and a patient with high blood pressure, high diabetes which goes upto 500 to 600 and who has got heart ailments and who is suffering from respiratory disorder, has been ordered to give befitting reply, a person like me with such major ailments wants to know from where should he get that befitting reply. Whatever little I know I will try to tell you all. But one thing which was troubling me much, and my dear brother, who is younger to me that is Dr.Zakir Naik, when I heard his lecture now, I felt sad and I do not express my grief behind someone’s back. Once Ahmed Deedat, who used to debate against Christianity before him (zakir), may Allah subhanwatala grant him health if he is alive, if not may Allah subhanwatala grant us all death with eeman. Aameen. Ahmed Deedat and I were sharing a common platform for our lectures in United Emirates, I asked Ahmed Deedat, you have demolished the whole of Christianity with your debates but after the demolition when the question of construction arises I asked him as to where you invite the Christian and what do you call them towards. He said I call them to become Muslims. I asked him, to which Islam do you invite them? There have become so many faces of Islam that the original Islam has been overshadowed. It is a very sad plight, now the difficulty is that those people who come into the field of propagating without gaining (Ilm Shara'ee) knowledge which is true, create problems for themselves and also for others. I remember,Imam ibn Jawzi rahimahuallah a great scholar of his time, to listen to his lectures 10 to 15 lakh people used to gather all the time and the huge audience comprised mostly of Muwahideen. Dr.Zakir gave a lecture to 10 lakh people in kerala belonging to abu bakr musliars group. Who grave worshippers, prostrating to graves and dead all the time. But imam al Jawzi’s audience of muhaditheen. Once there was a dispute between the shia and sunnis, both the groups called on the imam and asked him if Abu baker radhiAllahu anhu is great or Ali radhiAllahu anhu is great, the sunnis held Abu bakr radhiallahu anhu in higher esteem and the shites held Ali radhiAllahu in high esteem. When the imam was confronted with the question he replied ---man ibnatahu wa zawjatahu- The Arabic grammer is an extremely rich and tough and those of whom who don't know arabic grammer are not well versed with it should not comment on it. one of the meaning of the phrase which Imam Jawzi said was—“ whose daughter is his wife”. Hearing this answer the sunnis were happy, as the daughter of abu bakr radiallahu anhu is the prophet salallahu alaihiwasallam’s wife and the shites where happy, as the daughter of messenger of Allah salallahu alaihiwasallam was the wife of Ali radhiallahu anhu so they both went happy. So brothers this is not the way of truth let me make that clear. It is a matter of sincerity, The tag of Ahle ul Hadeeth, Naasirul Hadeeth,Ashabul Hadeeth, Ahle Sunnah wal Jamah has come into being during the life of the khairul khuroon that is the Pious Predecessors of islam who were true. ON who the Prophet –salAllahu alaihiwasallam has described as the best amongst his ummah. He salAllahu alaihiwasallam said the best period is my period (which came to end in 11 hijri, and after that the period of the sahaba—till 110 hijri and after that the period of the tabieen – till 180 hijri, so this names were to safeguard the interest of islam and to safeguard from the afflictions of the deviant sects like the Itizaal, Qadriyat, that jahmies and others. So this name is nothing new and it is not a sect but it was a consensus of all the people of the truth. I would like to make one more thing very clear, may Allah subhanwatala reward Dr. Zakir naik, he has presented his comments on jihad and terrorism may Allah subhanwatala rectify our condition. The situation in our country is deteriorated to such an extent that our condition can be compared to that of the wolf and the goat, once the goat was drinking water from the stream, the wolf reprimanded at the goat and said that the goat was polluting the water, the goat replied that it was not the case as the goat was drinking from downstream and the wolf was drinking from upstream and the water is coming to the goat after being polluted by the wolf, for which the wolf got agitated and devoured the goad for answering back. So this is the condition created in India where it is no different from that of the condition the goat and wolf, May Allah subhanwatala have mercy on all of us, aameen. There is no one who can understand the real meaning of Jehad or terrorism anything, you may be offering your tahajjud prayers and the chances are that you will be caught and termed as terrorist this is the prevailing situation here in India. But I would like to mention... two things one is the general public, scholars and all of us are guilty that we question someone on some topic in which they are incompetent. We should pose question to someone based on his level of understanding. In what we are seeking, not that we should ask anyone anything we should hold ourselves guilty. and poor dr.zakir naik is trying to appeal to the new generation with his audio and video and you all make him into a muhadith and faqih and mufassir,mujatahid.. and what not. If he is specializing in some field ask questions pertaining to that field and you cannot ask him other that that, it is obvious that you will embarrass him and he will in turn embarrass you with his reply. There is a host of scholars specializing in a number of things for matters relating to faith you can even approach me if I know I will definitely tell you and if I don’t know I will say I don’t know, this was also the way of imam malik once he was asked 40 questions and he said I don’t know for 36 questions and answered 4 questions, when he was nearing his death he used to break down to tears, his disciples asked him the reason and reminded him that he has spent his life in madeena in service of the hadeeth of the prophet salallahu alaihiwasallam in madina and why does he grieve. He replied 40 questions were asked to me I gave the right answer for 36 questions that was---I don’t know, but I replied for 4 and I fear that Allah subhanwatala may take me to task. When such a great imam held such noble view and we such tidbits reply as we like, we should work hard to create an atmosphere of awareness at least to such an extent where we know whom to ask what. This was a practice even with the sahaba and they used to ask specific questions to a particular sahaba specializing in it. The name ahle hadees is from the kahiral khurooon and there are number of evidences to prove it and I have already commented on it in my earlier lecture. There is one more compliant I want to make to my distinguished friend (zakir) ahle hadeeth is counted as a sect like hanafi shaifi maliki and hambali, I never came across a single book like the hidaya of hanafis etc. NO but ahle hadeeth is a movement, when the ahlul bida started to give imams/personalities superiority and the basics of Islam were overlooked and hollowed at that time the scholars of hadith came forward and started this movement. When the hanafis started attributing to the prophet salallahu alaihiwasallam lies that here will be a man form my ummah his name will be Muhammad idrees and he will be a greater fitna than iblees, at that time the aimma hadeeth got together and dispelled those notions among the ahnaaf. When shafies attacked imam hanafi the ahalulsunnah wal jama or the ahllul hadeeth replied it. When the mutazalites stood against imam Ahmed ibn hambal, the imamul hadeeth like imam bukari warded off the attack and sided with imam ahmed bin hambal. This way when the followers of imam malik started to prefer madinan practice over authentic hadith the ahlul hadith averted that and corrected the followers of Imam Malik. So ahle hadeeth is not a sect but it is a movement against sectarianism, splitting, extremism and against those who are sectarian worshippers. This movement is still doing the same what it was doing before and I would like to emphasis again that it is not a sect. It is the ruling in the hanafi maslak that ornaments/jewellery attracts zakah and the other 3 imams negate it. But we stick to the ruling of the hanafi. When the hanfis witr is 3 rakaah and with some ahle hadeeth it is one but again we cleared the confusion that it is 1,3,5,7,9 or 11, but the way of praying is only as the prophet salAllahu alaihiwasallam and the sahaba have prayed and not as you offer maghrib. So ahle hadeeth is those group who arise whenever a hadeeth is neglected and distorted be it with the hanafi or the shafi or the malikhis or the hambali’s or be it anywhere the ahle hadeeth rise and try to dispel all wrong notions about the hadeeth and always try to safeguard the truth i.e. The Quraan and Sunnah. So the exact meaning of ahle hadeeth is the quraan and hadeeth. So whenever someone says that it is a sect like the shafi, hanafi etc. he is just trying to kill this movement and spread confusion and that is definitely not justice. So it is necessary that instead of trying to create false impression of ones knowledge it is required to do justice and let the truth prevail and as for calling ahlul sahih hadeeth and try to change the basic then I should say it is not from any grammar and it is something of utmost foolishness. Ahlul hadeeth itself means that hadeeth that is shahih is acted upon and that which is not sahih is rejected and not considered a hadeeth at all. As for the comment of Ahlul sahih hadeeth it is a mockery and an allegation that cannot be overlooked. There are so many weak hadeeth which are acted upon but we are the ones who rejected it and we practice according to the practice of the sahaba the practice of raful yadien is established by more than 400 sahabas which the hanafi’s reject the practice of the saying aameen aloud, the talaaq issue, the 8 rakha of tarawih and so many things we have adopted --------? It is proved from the sahih hadeeth. So my dear brothers with all the evil and ill will surrounding us there are only a few people left who are still practicing according to the Quraan and Sunnah and the practice of sahabas which is proven from the hadeeth, of strangers……………. And Allah subhanwatala says—less are the slaves who are thankful… so I request that all should abstain from putting this few people in doubts concerning their faith, their manhaj and their practice, do not force them as loose soil where they will neither remain muslims nor ahle hadeeth. By Allah if they are a very few let them be we are not interested in seeing ourselves as majority. When they were a few they were a source of respect for Islam but from the time they started accumulating hordes through TV and video and did not bother from which platform they spoke and they did not allow any prohibition to stop them they have damaged themselves enough so please stop all this. I ask you for your forgiveness if I have spoken something, which is not befitting and I seek Allah subahanwatala’s forgiveness and seek His guidance.