Filed: 9/18/2023 2:06 AM Carroll Circuit Court Carroll County, Indiana 28 123456789 but that wou1d discuss a 1ot of the different meanings, but very much 1ike a diagnosis, sometimes peopie just can't agree on, so depending on which website you're on you're going to get a 1itt1e bit of variance. Most of them wi11 agree with the catt1e or mobiie wea1th, but a few of them wi11 say, oh we11, in new age whatever it might mean this or it cou1d be a gateway to that, it depends on how far you want to run down the rabbit hoie and which interpretation you choose to be1ieve. Okay. Did you discover during the course of your studies - I'm gonna use that word iooseiy with regard to this Odinism that there were that there's kind of a 1egitimate side of this spiritua] be1ief and then there's kind of a 1'11 ca11 it kind of a good and evi1 side, there's a good side and there's kind of an evi1 side? I wou1d say very much so, yes. And is it fair to so there's peopie running around in society basica11y that be1ieve in this or that exercise or subscribe to this system of be1iefs that are norma1 1aw-abiding humans, right? 10 11 12 Q o 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 A 21 Q 22 23 24 25 29 1234 56789 10 13 15 16 17 18 22 23 24 I wou1d be11eve so, yes. A Are you confident that there's a1so peop1e Q running around in this society that subscribe to this system of be1iefs that are frank1y evi1 or bad peop1e, and his f011owers? without making a mora1based judgment there are A some that be1ief in this system of again phi1osophy or whatever you want to ca11 it, that have tendencies that are outside the norm. Again, most of those revo1ve around the white supremacy movement; definite1y some very strong fee1ings by them. Peop1e that subscribe to vio1ence? Peop1e that I wou1d say wou1d probab1y be quick to vio1ence. Okay. Other than this circumstance with I don't want to make him the center of attention today, but other than that, have you done any other investigations maybe even after that, regarding this odinism cu1t or group? We've seen some of the runes and things 1ike that show up in some of the prisons, and I've been asked a coup1e of times about what that might mean by various tattoos or something on a 1etter, but as far as an investigation, no. 11 12 Q 14 A Q 19 20 21 A 25 30 1234 6789 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 24 what's your opinion on that, about the stuff Q being present 1n some of the prisons and what that might mean? 0h, I see what you're saying I'm sorry. Let me withdraw the question. By the prisoners or Somebody showed you a photo or something -- correct - of a prisoner who had And asked me what this might represent. Okay. Okay. So these types of things are present or there's some commona1ity with the prison systems? It is. And the I don't know if you want to that seems to be one ca11 it Asatru or Odinism, of the growing re1igions in some of the prisons. Amongst inmates we're taiking about, right? That's correct. I want to make sure. Okay. I'm sorry, I didn't specify, but yes. Not something that the staff members wou1d be invo1ved with? That's on the staff members, I can't speak to that. Okay. Wei], what we're ta1king about is bad peop1e that are 1ocked up in prison who have 5 A A Q A 10 11 Q A Q A Q A A 23 Q 25