TAPE No.1/ a Mrs FERRAIOLI 16th JUNE 1992 ✓ TAPE No.1/b Mrs J. McLAREN 30th JUNE 1992 TAPE No.2/a TAPE No.2/b TAPE No. 3/a TAPE No. 3/b TAPE No. 4/ a TAPE No. 4/b TAPE No. 5/a TAPE No. 5/b 9 \\�.-��5� �o� Mrs Mary BRYSON 161hJUNE1992 ✓ \'.) [ - \'5 and Mrs Nan DENT Mr. David BOYLE Miss Betty ROY Miss Betty ROY Mrs BRAID Mrs BRAID Mr. James M. ROY Mr. James M. ROY Pt-P\l 13th OCTOBER1992 ✓ 10th NOVEMBER1992 8th FEBRUARY1993 j 8th M ARCH1993 •i.. How 1 Ot',g cl id yoa l :i.ve -�: :�:· ·2':' (\1)Qttt f+ ◊'i' 5 16_,t,.c(''{, [,"t}\{.\ rl-l2.i,'\ i-{)L �11,..../&t ·U, ;Ji'E•-t..:J ClJ 3:!, T :9,�e ''!�:.·� <'l1.\i te ·" .!fett:. 11.oltie.s - ;_12:::·:lc i\11&$ tlq rAll re..t�,ted\ - inter-•J;:;,..:-ri er1' 0� b..'Je hv�dl n� i,Ut.tii t �$' &2., t:h.�!l ·�itft, l\\l-Ve'QI fo oU.r _f1 t·�-r Ji1ed:v"ic -h.c1� i� Stirling Street. n. How ,;,nny were ttere 1n your fa�1ily'J 8 of us, 5 girls �-tl".rl 3 hoys. Hy oldest hroti·'.er w&.s 1·illec 4 i!!i 1936 Ol!i. a •·•otor bike a.i:d DY youl':'-gest sister died 3 •·wntt.s lat�r fro'!l dipht'.:eria. T.nere was quite a lot of cUp} 1 t�1eria in-:tru� vill.;ge at t)rn.t time. Thf>n we nwved fro!!l Stirl i:nq: Street to Wigton 'Plrcce. It wes [;l liir-;/)'er house. Wt�t w�re t�e facilitjes ljke jn the origi�bl �oose? slept np i:l)ld down : = n,ct across t�.e w"cty. C11tsi('l':' toilets, ,! wast-bouse. We n:-:ed to go into the wash-hou.E'e to boil water in ti .. e boil€r to :.,we your hat11. {}_. No w£,ter in the soPse'! ti.,e close Lere - yc,u Lmow wl::ere the :�ousc-;; 1::1 tl::e l,lain Street f,re. '!\;,ere Wl'IB a well there, , ., __ d we hhc! hDlters we put on :;p_t'l 2 p,•ils ,�N1 c«rrjN1 it. rt� a Su:!'lclay nig.:k.t t:,e-re was� queue. Yore ,:c-i: tc, wait '(Our -t r ,ru, :cp.,} we Q. \,fas t!-·tis a spri.ng'? It wa.s ,,,ctually a well t�.:•t w«.s hti:i l t. i:t::to t,·�e w,;l l. I ;- !:.lve no ider, w,,ere tJ.-e wat.er cane from, but we i:ill w;,:lked to tte Cisi.er;,1 r;:;rt-: 2nd ,,rot our t',2 c!mrch lrn.11 - i,ot th,,t L�,.lJ. bnt ti::e one opposite wtere the parlour ii:t ti::a.t w::ts our Paris:,. church i,·:.11, t•·::,t w,-,:E ,.t:,;;1.·e ,.,c W•"Jt t'.l Su.111c1'1v Sctool � for yeilrc,; a.me! ye;,:.r·s 1-lie • Mr. �, Nrs. fgilvi e were here. farery ui.'rht t.,i:;,.;:-;t. w:,s We ve:mt to Cn"tlwrnauld }-r:im�•.ry Sc!�ool, l e,· we ;-,;:,.rl i !1C' ,·jrr,,,_ r 5.rr;, e :il"' the school n t ,c, tut t:in<'!. :fo :\jd not l:i.,ive to /YO to LeJZi<'- or "�wt.ow)';. \fo ('id 01,r lust t:1ree ye;;.rs ::..t Crm11,er,J.aulrl. T· ey ti.:t-n sto 1,cc tr,c·t ,rnd we h&c! to �o to I er1zie after t.t'.at., but .uot in my time. he just fi�is1ie,1 ou:c s��ooli�1 �t Gu�bernauld. O. Wnere did you go from �chool? _,.. I ttarted to work first fr. 1/atsom' s the bi,.kl"r i� /'l•,i!:1 St.rc-;_,,t i1-i Cur'bf'r;-.wuld. _()___ Tt1ere was l'lOt u1.1c:; \•'orl, .··.r1Lv,-' \el'-= ::.. ,,.:rt J: :<1 1 s e1· v -L��. I worl:�d t; ere for 2 or- } yea.rs. .r,ft0r L ..c,t it WilS the !"l 1ustrial Drick.vrork, .. rnci I wor!.:erl at Castle Cary in Weirs U}1tii. } w.;s 1::arried. Jo.i.m Weir w2.s •01LLrriet� to a Hy Lush:nd, l':e \fr,s fro:i,1 BPBkuock. duy I went to see about ::::ettJFf_)' a j0t J �,et t:.js lad 01< the railway bri<\f?;e. You h&{1 to cros8 ther.:ri1'M_y Lo _::::et--irrl�i,tl----e---Ca:ry P.rie-i:fworl." f , ,l�s W,lS .�oing � ..cross the bridge Li'f'.t. ,:n-,t I n;et this 1�,c1 �•11e1 I .,.s!<erl hil'.l :·01..J I could get iii.to t.l!..e wo.c�.;, ,n'td he w:.s �ve 1tu�,l ly if ::.ns:, 1·, 1. It w;.s fmrn.y WtPt dirl �ou do Rt workn It was very, very, hr-rd work - t:l OF.e ,;-ree 1 ...• ,"d 25/- the :· ext ct l',e �1c1cni•,<'� ,,, ere stoves. Y .:;,1 .nd to put the"I .-lowu f.Cti.tly. Jf you r!u"'perl tt eor t· ey wrre ;.o use, : net then you servPd so lo•�.q , t the u,c1clii,ies xJ thN1 yon went on :ts a .lrel'lser 0L1l -'i '1e»c�1. '{';1e nricks were ½eil'tr drietl. T:.,ese were moU:h 1 ed by :,1en, put-.into moulde al.'td put o� t.o the floor to dry, ,,r�d of -.'.Ou,·se 1/1{'::, t:·,ey were MJ oldest brotl1er W,''S a kiln '.mr:H-,r. fle fed t.lJe kiln�. �- WaB it hard work HS well? ;�. Very, austy aucl dirty• We used t::i wear �atcb.-s'.:eet a.11.'0'' a S • We ,,,;;� 1 e t··H!"a ourselv<"s, �,,it W"' wo,·J·1 'au� two - ,, .. .,. ,•.r:oe··, �rou !;O i::1 in t,;Je ,nor.1L1;� ;::,u. too:-� off, foU,ed it a.nd put it unc'.er t::ie :ricks ,u,l wer1r your otrer o e, anc: when the whistle ·we�t. at nip-ht or the hooter :,, t , ni;rht, you we'."l.t anrl �ot your clerm aprom '.):!i.'.1 put it ;)H to /O ',:1cL up \o:.e i 0 1 tilt' 'ms. You always went i;:ito t:,e lms clern,. S<'ll�f-.i<ies t"tere wJs lot of fost, 1mt it all depe·.cted on who was feE>djng· tl.e t•Bcl.ines. ]f it w... 1s Ll,e bi:i r.'F.!.n fro1�1 th'! villng;e, Jiiwny C;:iir11.s, Jii·u,y ke!;t p�.1tti:••\: ple:,ty w.,.ter ,l,t -�;d it ke:rt it rlmn, 1.;nt so:11e of the re-st wouLt itOt ..lo it -:..id it c31<se11 (�11st. It s:-lVe<1 us :·,c..vi�•-7, to .r,o outside for fre�h .:dr. But tJ:e:-• :i' quite e;-j0ycd it t:ntil l;:ter o.r.i I got a jor, out.Ride wit:.1 w:,at L!H'!_7 c·,lled tile burmt squ:1d - t.tut w;:>.s tl\e bric:.{s rearly to go out,, ,1nd I pucked tr·e1r1 in.to t:�€ rc::ilway cnrriage ) Were t.lley sent al 1 over the pL:c e? All over the place. Ti,ey went abroad and everywhere. ,c,j l\- \ T,;e ship th.st went down during the war we .\w.d &.!:t order on tr1at shir�. It was not a nice environneat to worb: in. J.ctually they used to call r,1e the Jane Tart. It was rough, an<l tLere was an old foreman, •• 4 r. Tho11son, and if l'le w3.s doing so;•1ething at tbe machine I was at ;:;r:d he would swear, he would apologise tt, ne. l!e knew I didn't swear, i'md J tUnk th::t was wi.:ly all the rest of tb.e girls christened :ne t.!Je Jane Ta.rt. Q. Whe.t was your r.iaiden na1:1e? •,_. Wilson. J\... Going back to the villa.e;e, we hact marvellous entertainmeDt in tbe vil 1£ge. he could be out every 11i,rz.ht in the week at different things. 2hi! was the leader of tue Young Wouen' s A.ssoci&tion of w!d c� 1 we -were all me,dJt'I'S, and abe c:. llowed us to go to tt1e big house, w:;ere the Corporatir,u is HDW, w�-ere they liveJ, to pL,y tennis on her tennis courts. We didn't twve e11oug;, ,;ione::" to huy tennis racquets in ti:ese cic:ys, ,,ut w.aen we went tnere would �e a te:mis re.cquet for each of n.s sitting at ti.le bottor:1 of the stnirs and we could play 1mtil l;.-:,te on, cmd ciuring the su::1mer in the fruit season 1J1an.y a eight wuen ue :finished there would he punnets of fruit tr:.ere for eacb of us to tH1,e L10:·1e. They mnst llave growu quite a lot? Oi,, y-es. They had big g0.rde;1s, st,_Lles, horses. at one time, but it deteriorc1ted too. It was 0uite a big pl2ce Q. Did most of the houses have p-urraens '. t.. Oii, yes, w;,ere I lived my fatLer c:nd all tiie neigh"t:.iot,rs D.c,d wonderful garrlens, and we used to have grec'.t nights ste2.ling tl'.,e potatoes :froci the sl1aws ai1d roasting them. In fi�ct, you grew all :rou.r uvE vegetf:,?:,les at that th1e. You ciidn' t buy vegetables at all. I hr,ve known. Ely father to have a pit with potatoes at one end, tu.rni;s at -the o tr.er end and tlien t�-,ere woulcl be beetroot. 'rD.ey grew everyti-ling in these dsys. Q, When you left your }JL.ce of e1i.1ploy1aent, c l itl yoi.:: lea.ve bectmse yoi;;_ got married? Yes. I left Castle Cary w!·,en 1 w,.. s 21,.½. Wou.ld you have teen allowed t" s t.ay vll as a married WO!:'t-"'-n in triese ',n'/s? Tltat' s a thing, I never thought of staying on, hut we did have ;.;mr-ried won,.enin tne works at that time. 9. .And w.:\ere were you �;2.rried? ;"L. In the Cld Parish Church Hall. r,1r. Dgilvie rni.rried ;:1e. te useci to C()me in to -i l:Af«- � me to neL.r 1 ,1:,7 eldest :'1angi1ter sin;.:jng ".Jes us L()ves Me". 'l'Le fin:t Chris trnns ;,&.rty sne ·weHt to, I went down t o tal:.:e her h()ne u.nc: >e sr,.i,1 to :te t, cone in and listen to ; er. He Had i er up ()ll the pli:tform sing:ing. :•e w,A'. wonrlerful ::w:\ so was _,i•, wife. Everyt;.ing w, s free. You ,v·ere sllc,wed to bring i"•artners to the Q. Where did you go to live when vou i!Ot married': 'I• What date would th,.t be? A. 1941 - the yeHr of the ClydeLMk r;litz. �ly husband worked in the Carron Iron \Vorks. ,·e wLs at the munitions at t�:;;;.t time, on the night shift, because I reme;rt�1er we were ,.11 up in the woods out of t!1e lwnses Uwt night becc.use the :)lanes were going ri,T,ht over above us and we c oulrl '1ctually see ti.le bor:hs dro,,ping from the t,·p of the hill, w,·ere t!).e new ta-;vn is I!OW, I lived in Parkview. Mx-. Henderson, rte lived ii.:, t-,e big l1ouse 'P,-rkview", it's gone too now, It wE:s wuere the complex is, on tile opposite side of the complex. 'i' J ,cre w«s one wee honse, tr,D.t w;;.s �ictnally my lwuse, tLat wa.s left to me, well it w:�s not left to !.1e. It wr..s an old ·11an who lived in it, Mr. Mowat, �-nc. b.e was my Fa.ther-in-1:lw's half cousin, far out, and my fnti'er-in-lc.w sr,id to me th&t he wa.s the next c,f kin, hut if I looked £'.fter l1i.m, which I did until he ,1ied, the house would he mine, but they put a demolition or·ler on it at t 1 "1Pt time 2ncl .\rchie Johnson took it over • .'rc:;ie's son is in it now. 'Hiey reconditioned it, bu{:. L1ere was .1 '.i,,ppy chance from ttrnt for t,•ere was a two-storey, big building a.long L:.ere - yon lmcn,; Madge SNith, she goes to the church, Ma<lge White she was, irnb's sister, Jean and Madge, Hadge was married to ,John Smith, t'1.e scr ool teach•-,r in Cumbernauld. They lived in the tor honse ,rnd �:rs. HcGih1:ons, she still goes to church, she livec1 in the l,otto11, 2.nrl t.:iere were B'en,;erson's blocks, tt.ere were 5 up tJ:ie stc,ir and 4. down the stair '>.n<l tneE t: , .. e ·were at tics ::mcl. � ,.ere il::l-S tl,t""� Lis; ·1or..s e 11 Purkview". Tnat w:::s w',ere we went to live at first &Itel tJ1en we moved i'ron t':ie.ce to C:_;r1·ick Road when t:�e houses were hni.l t, e,nd after my ilusb.::nd died 1 movecl to Sprin,gfi eld l-tol..d, I w::1s in Springfield Hoa.d until 4 years ago and then l moved into here. Q. '"' 1�'-- I t / Now go back a little bit in time. Wh.. ct were the L:,cilities in CUEtbern..:.uld as reg11r,:s meL�icn.l services? Tll8 t would be poor. 1-- o,.J� Dr. -I:,o--trgh- in my time. We only hatl tl,e nne doctor - t.t,at would be He used to pull teeth am: then he would tell you Lov� not to spit on 11is stair. I always remern.ler 1)r. Izo... l i!+• Re went about in a horse and trav. There were verv few crcrs because we played in tlle Main Street at night sometimes. There w&s a s-.,;eetie stop on one sj rle au<l a sweetie shop o,, t:ie other am� we used to play guesses ::.ni'. run hacl< and forward. If S'.'Jmebocly gues: ed t:ie rigbt tlling you ran ana. whoever ·;-,as last was het. I would say it -wac; bett-:-1· t!·,an we :·,;:.v1.• ,,ow. l:-,e doctors ca:ne out at any t·ime---t-o-you -. ----l-Jn--l-e-s-s-�·A+. ;:.,c-1:c� ,i.!.;]e to-p.;o to.. se_t'-t.h_em, ;::01; don't see t:i:em - tney tell you if you are fit to come. If you put ::1 call in for a doctor, lie w,,s t:.ere on yoar doorstep. Q. Can you remeY,her what arr&ngements ti.ere were for po.ying because t'.11:<.t wf,s before tl.,_2 NHS? ,·.. I don't think we :laid Et.nything. I can't remember ever paying anything to the doctor. ·1. I don't think they woulcl. be. f{. If .ron ,vere ill, wl1at iJospitcl ,1oulcl _you go to? "'�• The only hospitc.l I can think of woulc 1,e t.1.e fev.::r .·10s ryi tal - Le:,.1ox Fever IIos;:iital. I had a sister there. She died of dipt),eria. What uge was your sister when she �iect? ;1 ou ... 'le Bridge at StirJin(-':. 'i•hat was the first break in onr fn�iily. Then 3 months later my younger sister £ lied wi ti1 di1)tileria. (i. Was she the only one in the family who had it? ;,. No. i",..n older sister had been tne carrier. We c;idn't discover t1.1c1 t until the Sunday morniug. She was taken e.way to Lennox C:-::.s tl e on the Sunday morning after my yor:.n.g sister died. She wns the actual carrier and she wa.s in for quite s. few weeks. It would te the Hoyal in tnese d,:,ys and t.,,at would be t:l-1e lwspi tal they wel.'e L1. We did not have much illness in our fa;i;ily. 5. 6. What about shopping in Cnni1ernauld? Yon could buy everything in Cw:.1berna.uld more shoprin,ir tlwn you can buy now. You can't even buy a needle c:.nd thread in t�1i s villare now. You l1twe to go to town for everything. Startino.· from t.be bot.tom of the villa�e, we hrrl heid the joiner. We had a painter and decorator across the other side, we :iacl anotl1er joiner. We hc:,d a fruit sllop across from him. Further tFJ there was the fost Office. 'J.'here was Hrs. Money from Luggiebank. She wns in the I-·ost Office. Miss Livings·tone had the Grocer's sho1J. You came across the other side. 'l'here was another grocers stop, Findlay was his name, }•rs. Porder' s sweetie shop, tilen ,.cross from hers tl,ere l:es the s:hoemakers, lf! yards from him was anotHer s.10p, ;·eetdes, and then we had str-aigllt across from her there WH.s ?1an1ilton, the butcher, and then we had Watson the he.leer, then acrosE from Watson's was the Doctor. Further up atain we nacl other shops. You had to go outside to get t!-,ings to wear, hig items. We were well served. In f£•ct, :it js the same witb the buses nm,. I always rer.ia;1her liouert Huir, w:,o w£1s our Labour Member �Jere and :1e said to us to be very coreful wi tl_1 the new town comin,g because you will be a forgotten village, and it is true. We li&ve been becc:,.use w11en we want a bus tc, go to Dnnferir.line or Dundee we have to go to the Town Centre now. \>Je use,: to get then all in the village. Jf we wmrt to g:o to Honl-..1.::tu.ds :Uospi tal we : ave to �o to tbe l'own Centre to get the Honklands bus, Nothing here, nothing at all. 'l'here is another thing too I protested n Lout nuite cf ten. It is the cemetery. They built a ne,-1 cemetery c.t East:field. You can't ,fo to it unless you ::iave a car. Yon can't w;dk to it. Q. Is the cemetery in the village not used? ;�. It is finished bec&use m_-," husband coi ..ld not get in Lere. Ffe h&,d to go to Eastfield. We userl to wc:lk regularly. You were t.at�ing your life in your hands along the m<iin road, i.J.e.ving to crvss when you cMJe t o Eastfielci., then gG nr, the hill, but that is closed off �ow. You cire not allnwen to go ur th:::.t way either. If }'ou wclk you \Eve to go up Westfield waJ 7• Q. ;�re tltere other meribers of your family buried in the villag:e? A. Hy Mother and Father, my youngest 1anght,er, aw('e girl 4J montt.s. :':'.he is buried beside my kother and Path.er, and my brother. Actm:lly my Grandmother is in Cumbernauld cet."letery ton, but. rtobert r1uir Wf.lrned us there would he a lot of c1:nnges, and it is true. Jf I want to go 1,}. Where did yon r:o on holid&y as a cliild? -r I -�� A 1>·•-e:, \ t+ I J I I 11.. Gt:.r ,.:,liday was a Sunday School Trip - the liorse zn.l c:1rt, t.b:.·I:. w&s our annual liolic1ay. We nsed to h,' ve the Sunday �chcol 'trip, anc� 7. the farmers all brought horses and carts, all ,leco ,:ated. C8stle Cary pond was one of the f;_wouri te places or up to Mrs. Steel's or Harry Taylor's at Kildrum. n 'l'hese were .111 f2.rms? A. Yes, ancl :1on _got your h8g t•·:ere. 1;. Is tD.at tne f&rm t::i•it fa nr.w Willow Bank? ·°'· Yes, ti",t1.t is Kildrum. �ly Motirnr worlced at tt1at farm for }0./40 years. Sl1e actually cle&ned. hy Hotber used to s�y 1-rs. ·1'c1.yJ.or ,..,as a hypocl10ndriac. t1 1 y }fother worl,ed inside tmd ;;lso did f•: rm wor:, outside. 'fl.ie only ·U:,in,;: I non' t tiiink sue went to was the ;}ot:,.toes, ,,nt s!H, did all ·tile t.a.rvest. O. What kind of job did yonr 1?ati:i.er lrn.ve? !.'-... He was a ruilwt 1 y r.lan for ye.:.rs. Hy bro t .ller, Joi::.n, w.:s a r&ilwEty man too on r:1 different part of the line. j,iy F';;,t�,er We..� from CUJ;1bernc:uld station rlovm to what we c>::'..llerl tl1e White Glen - t.t:-t was w,"ere we used to spend our summer t..:ilid,:�ys. Now you c&n't go to it ejther. C. Now, where [<re we talking ahout'f .:_J.• Well, you know J(iJ C:1rum - rlovm the hack of y, il -·;n:un. 'i'bere is a beautiful glen down t'.tere '°'.nc1 we ·,1sed t0 stem u;:, the burn. 'l'.he::.·e is a bridge yon can cross, but before you come t::1 ts�e brL·ge t:,ere ;,r,•,s ·//tis circle and we ste1!lli""1ed tbe burn titere t.nd fill it \l.p Dnd we used to go down there every day. 'i• Could you swim ti,ere'! You could swim in it. It W3.s dee_;, enou::rh to swim, but tl:eie w,·sn't anyhody wllo could swim in these d;;1ys. You didn't go to the baths or anything like that, ;_;nt we used t,, t&ke onr ;,ie1�es ,md bottles of cold water and & fizzy drink. The only thinir was we were nlwciys wan.--,ed not to go on the railway. Fut some did go bee<' use we eoulil pick wild stnn-iiierries on tr1e railway - so;·:e ,lid go t!1.rongh the fence but the workmen were -.:J.lli te goocl..3.t ,11a1ring t.!1em ,g:o �;ack throug-h. - ....,---- l 11:,_ec:S tl ? t�,--�--- t �-" - ' e , ,,.u 8 s e It is diffic11l t for us to realise ti:..at fildrt•J,1 w&.s �' _ we had not lmown l(ildrum, only 2.s it is ,rnw. " Do you see w:1ere the cottfafe t:,eutre :i.s? .My ::us .:rnd <:nd I, ·whc,1 ,:e were going ou1; to1;;ether, we .•se:'l to ;-s:o c1J, tl1at w:,y :'ou wei�t nv and then t11e:re was a wee fk;t�-i fnrther u11 fr,J111 t�,e cotta.ge t.lie;,.tre :.nd then tliere was a i-1ath right down the .�l en f:nu :'ou c.:nre to about 50 steps Jown and tJ1r-,t took you rip;ht ,iown into where the rc,ih"GY wa�. J t was bN..utiful nnd it WP.S c:ov:,'rer: with :.iluehells ',t times. It was 1 1 iarvelloos, but there is not a ; 0 lace .)'OU coulc 1 . w::.lk 1·1ere no-w. 'l'ilere r:re not r.1:,ny w;:;.lks you Cilll go. T_i.dt would ue 11art of the est,;ite t.o gG \fitl:. the Lig ;;cuse, ant1 .1ou ,-,ere allowed to use it? ;•.. Ott, J'eS. Hy FatJ1er ,,ctuully shot over the estate. My brC1ther \·sed to £:O ont with the gnn am\ t.he f.1r� 0 1ers would .3ive ;1ii;:i 2ellets to shoot t'.1e vermin - pigeons, r:..1.ibits, an<l after my broti;er was l�illed m:;, Father took over the g;m. My husband used te go with him. As long but t.11e big house itself, Car,tain Burns, tt1e,:.' ;·,ad s;·;ecial ,k,ts Uv,- t'.tey shot over the estate, and tHe_y nsed to em�--loy r1tiite a. few men a2 beaters. Many a time rn.7 lirotiiers went out beating. Q. You will remember the gamekee;ler' s cotta:;:e'? i\. Yes ) I ren1e1,1'!.�er tl1e gr.melreerer too, �:fr. Beaton. Bis son \if,s killed in action. His son was in the sc::ne battalion as my brother, the _,rg,yll & Sutherland Highlanders. It was a beautiful cott�ge. It was even be, ntiful inside. Fortunately, we have s;ot a tra.:-L=.�19.rency of it, :mt that :i.s all ,.,e Jiave. The style of it was beautiful. And t11e kennels were at t.iie back? },. T.Llere were two ways down t0 it. 'l'here was a narrow ,·ath and there was a big :;:,at11. You could ,;i:o down �ny of t,,e two ,,f them. i{e nseJ tc go clown t;,ere u lot, t,h· t was a boat all tl,ere was t,; do in the vilL,�e the hnttom of the town Rnc' then t�1e1·e was OD€ in i;'.1rou;:(1 the :)en, Peebles, and tJ!ey hel<'l. dances, ;1ict.ures Q. Is t�at Peebles you said had the shop? ........ W�Rt �ind of s�op - a grocer•� sbop? A Johnny�• thing tl:ey sold everything. .Actually, if I remember they were mo·tor hil·er·s too - "Peebles Motor Hirers", and Mr. Foley. Q. Did ynu see a lvt of clrn.np:es c:uring tl1e war? ,l. The only cli,.nges we hrve s een is since the new town c5.me. Our villa.p-e has never cHange<l. 1•1y l•iot,,.er workect in tile Spur Rotel. She w2.s cook. She worked in tlle Spur Hotel untj 1 she was well over 70, and as she w&s getting older H.rs. :Boyle, vlw was i.i1 tile Spur Uotel at t:,at tii1e, she said to me would I like to cow.e in and t:elp. as it was getting too ruucl.1 for her and sb.e won't give in anu we can't say to her to go so I weut in and I can remember the first r.,&r� tl,at came in from Engl ancl ,11e w"' s 11·. . n,-t-o -st rt -the new -town , - &.ru-:_w _e S_gi r1 to r..1y }iotLer wila.t he was here for and she sa.ic1 "Oh, well, I don't tliinh. I will see j_t in my day", but she saw 1(1 years of :it. It is ,:wazing w�,at they did in 10 years. (.;. .How did you feel when they sfa.1rtec! work on the new town? .,1.. Well, the older people resented it, but cnr 2,ge g-roup r.'i{ln' t botber about it hec,;,m,e it ci:irln't interfere wit.ti the vilfage at z.11, jn every-de.y life. We got some nice pec,ple movinv in. I cc:m' t nan,e ti.em. I still neet them. I tnow they are not locals r:ud tbey will speak. I can't nane a.ny of them, anrl they t,<tVe beeu here for year.::. f). \·That ,,,ag the 11arne of the n-1an tba t can!e, th.e ve:c:r first person'( Can you remember? I r.an't remember. I I.mew most of ti.em and I will te] 1 you why. I cleaned all their houses. Wi"cen t:·ey cF..r.:.1e to t�ke up a positjon in the Corporation, I cleaned the first t1ouse an,�:, of course, when somebody else would c0me they woulct so.y "Ask Mrs. P.raid, she ·will do it for you. i,;,. Where did they stay? 1... Une of them lived np w,.ere the 1·,ank is, tta.t :is the first �..ouse he went to, and then Dudley �ker went to Ri::vens\•:ooi;, a bi,&; old hot,se at J:l.&venswoor\ ,:nf' I cleaned trrnt :place. I).. Is that where tb.e scLool is now? A. It will be round &bout tJ:ere. I have not been ctown that way for years. They delll')lished the 1>ig, olcl t·ouse t;:,ere and i;uilt tl:e school. I cleaned that place for l 1 udley, and ti,en there ,,•&;; anot.i:!.er young :',ctually, Mrs ParJ.:er a.net carteen. The Cor!'tn·at.ion workers cs:-•e int-:, tbe Spur ;-·ote] for tbeir lunch when t:1e new town was befr,g bujlt at f'iret z,nd Glas�ow Cor1rnr£-tion subsiilised the <iinner money, 2.nd tLey -paid, T am sure j t was l('p, and the Cor;:,C1r&tion ; 0 2-id the rest. They /!-·o t a lovely me,il in the Spur Hotel ::,nd tlrn.t uPnt on for quite a few ?ears ?nd then it was getting bigger all the time, sud one of tbe men, Alec Scott, he was the road en,g:ineer, and he wf:.s nne of tiie .bead men LL.en, he s, 0 ii! to me this day "How would you like to come an:·: work u,·, in the canteen becnu.se we will z,11 be goinr to tue canteen:· I said t,l,i: t T ·will il."O if yon want me but only if i•lr. Boyle ctoesn't want me. 1f J-,e is still said he would not need so many str,ff jf tLey all go G.1,-r-y so I<irs. Farker, E,nother lady anc I were the first. We didn I t do the cooking t11ere thou.gn. 'l'he me6.ls c,�L1e from Borrougi-1s 1 canteen, and Nr. Ingles, the f&.rmer, Big Willie, nsed to col'.'.e e;nd picl; me up, and we went down i::.nd b1·ot1.i;rht t::,.e cont.aine::.-s ur t<' the Cumbernauld canteen, anC: it was served from there. i;. When did tile new town stF>.rt to cban:Ie the villag:e'? Wh<':.t. did you :10 :.ice first'? Was it shors closing':' ;\. It did muke a difference t.o the snops, one Ly one t.l1e }Akis1,anis car,ie in, but I wouldn't say I-e,o.w m11ch t1ifference. .:-.1.e Q. The Co-operRtive use� to be here? Tbat was the liiggest mystery in Cur.obernau1d - why they closed our Co-q,er.:; tive. It was always busy. l'-:oiJocly cot.ld 1..:nrierstc:nd wty we lost our Co-operative. You nad to ,"l' to tl;_e t'o-wn Centre :tor stiopping &:fter ttiat. Yon couldn't p&.y the private trfiders. I often tbink t:(ey just t1:ink of a num!�er .:.nd st.id� it on. You don't mind '-'- penny or tuppence, i)nt it is ridicnlons w;wt we r:re pc,� 1 in�; for tbirnrs in the vill,.ge. What about funeral services in the village? T!,ere was the one joiner. In tuese d&_ys tu,-t. wou1,1 was murried at first wLen I was only 25, Lui; in later yer,rs it WES the Co-operative if you ha(1 ,-� death in the village. <). This g<?ntle:n::m w l -10 was the joi:.er, (ljd ne just f1uke ti.le coffin? n. Was that Hr. Heid? , \o,\� 41 1 IJ I think Reirl did that too. I can picture the c,ld msn. Pe :c;Lill nas relations in the villa�e. last night and J was tryin� to , reue,,oer cLlS name. (.,. 'l'here was not a very bi,,: C;;t;:nlic: ;-,o,rnlht,ion t.I;e vilh,;re u-c that time? 'filere was uo Cc:. t.LJ.olic C«U T C<.i !;_ere at all? ,.. No, becaase we protEo::.,t.ed c. 2.iri.st thefo using: otu- scr:o,,l. They woulC: 1 1. not send their ci;ilc.ren tt, our sciIOol. Iu my d�j', ·L..ere ,,ere Cc:.tholics CE,me to tile sc;,ool. Some of t,hem wo:,ld go out if it ,,,;_.;r- bible cl<-SS, s01:ie didn't, .. mt ,.e fiid protest c:..,_;;ainst the Catnol:ics being allowed to hc,ve their cLurclt in 01u· ,scl:ool. The ne::;rest chapel at t!1at t.ime was Croy. Faw :iid t:"1ey get, to Croy? ,ve had an�<:>td bns-.�-1 '- r+on.- 1 t Jmow if -1:i.y�od¥- fa,.l.d-_i.ou r,Jiout__n lcl_ Tom White -from the st&tion, -�.�-,e E11sy-Osey bus. lJe was grer,t. ,:e did that, rnn ::::nd then lie used to (ao the i-un to KiL-;yth rid,nre · nnse on ;;,. Saturday night, f,nt, t.l",e l,est of t.l:e lot was Joe Sommerville. On a Sunday the agreement was if it wae a n:ice da.y l:!e woulrl be down at & certain time and t.:.ere would Le a tus run. Some Sund::.ys it wP.s Bnrntisland, some Sund.ays it Whs Fa;;nysir1e, ot ..er ti!l:es it wonld be ;1._·;_;er;;our. We rn,ed to go to Purntislcind on a Sm1da.y af, er.ooon, and t!,js is old n10ney I am tulking about, ::.:or 1/- :for parents, {:;cl • .for c.tilcJren, but w!,en you got to the i;ill going up into �,,irntisl&nd tlie parents .'·11-,.d to co11:e out the l..>us filld. help it i.:1, t.l',e i1iil. 'l'net was tne agree!;;ent every Sund,,y. You just ;:::;.e;hed yonr l1tid-c':::;.y me�l rev.dy t(1 ,'-o ;:;.nd you c,J•�e C:.own and it was always packed. There used- Lo Le fignts fol' seats tor 3 or 4 children. It WLS just ttard se.;.ts you s::,c. on. ,,. It was quite ft L::ir sized J-:,us - ai,out 50. 'l'om0 ,lil"I t,H L -.Cor years. �- You had a good service? A. We had more entert;-,inrnen t in this vi l h i:e yecrs · ·· gc than we h;; ve now. We nave nothing in our villf-,ge. T:1,:re was a Young Wornen' s ;, ssoc i.stion, Youth Clubs, Co-operat:ive \fomen I s fruild, Churcl"t Guj_ld, "foe H. We !,,id a Wl1ist Drive every :--reunesdny nigi;t, you coo.let s:iave u Whist Drjve every }'riday night, ma.yte a drsuce, wnist &.nd tea - different L°d.E:··s. 'l'nere is ttlis c;.urch hall :,ere, i:oDcl I object to it sor,etimes ti::e noise I get. I can't gflt slee1,ing. Satur...c.,ys r�nd Sunrle.ys I c 1 on' t go to Lee\ until 2 or 3 o 'cloc!, in the r;orning someti!ues. .. .;.. 12. I ,,ave only protested o.nce &nd +,,,at was � Satur,:ay ni?l1t, rcnd I 'p: oned ti'1e police in the Town Ceu 1-,re ,�nc1 s::,.j_d t,lw.t I t.,,ought. ti·Le ?abbe .. t!.� started at 12 o'clock - but not now - 3 o'clr,cl,: t•iat raorning E.nd jt was still going. I can reme!llber our iast Gance was about :,alf-eleven t:1is is your last ac.11:1ce. .-·e did say to me he could not um1erstr,nd !tow I was l1ec.ring j t so loud. /',ne ni,ght, a Fr.:day ,lik�ht I t11id,: it is, it is an Orange Club th.::t comes in practising 1:,,eir ·;,::-,nd - drrnns. I ar:·1 ; 1 :oi'.'./{ to see about getting double glazing in my bedroom for next winter. We did have more e.-,tert. irn.ient ti,an we i,ave now. N:,tting serious. I menn we nad L:.itch keys. \le ,iidn I t have locks on our noors - just the lc.tctl th, .. t you lifted up und walked in. Hy son, he was a Youtlc Club Leader 1·,ere :in the c ·.arch .::,ud 1''lo wr::s a Brownie, ,0111.e was a '.1.Ii., H&ra�ret was c:. ·rr:,w11ie Leader. 'Li"ey were c'll connected to ·U,e c,1urch. When my son went to MancLester, 11e st;:-..rted a Youth Club �own t,,ere ,'ti.c, t.,,e poljcernt.n gave him a baton to carry about. He never nee,.,ed it. Whet:·,er it w&s because iie was Scottish they took t0 l:im rig,1t awa:v. r.:.e .r:1c,d o. gre::.t Yonth Club. Q. In tile old dr.1ys t;:;ere was not all tue ,.,rohlems we have today? ..:\. Mischieviuss - 1na.ybe sorne of the toys ,vould l1ave rabbi ts, pets, &.ncl smuehody wot-lcl raid ti",em., nr pigeons - nothing serious. I never knew of any tll'ec,k-ins. Q. What about policing: in the vil la.2:e�· r. .t::..o We bad () "- policemen on duty. \'-le Lo.ad a pclice stc.tion in the vill61_re, wi1ere the lawyer's pl.-..ce is now. 1'.here was Nr. Gibson. Re was there for years and years, "Hoot'' we called f,im. Why? I d ori.' t know. Then t,�erewas a policeman came oown fror,1 Dullatur. Tn.ere 1•1as always a police 110use at Dnllatur. We never needed the policemen. We used to play what we cd.led "Kick the Can" in front of the pr,lice station in t!.1e Wynd. That was ..ow we spent onr t:ime. We <rid have plenty entert,iinment. Q. -0''\= rr- / When you were out at nj ght, what ti:iJe a id yon h"ve to he H1'? We were never away frr,m t.he doors. :'ie were alw;ivs ,,;itbin c::•ll. rfowactays, the c:-iildren go out and you do:1' t know ,-fi·,ere ti:.tey ::.rr-. Iu our day we were :::.lwcqs wj thin call. Jf we were not on the Main Street we were m;;;ybe just over the .l1edge. (�h&nge-over to side 2 nf tane - first part missing' he lived in the butcher's cl-nse. He irnilt a sort of wirE] ess. You put the earphones on an� it �sed to be quPuerl up to get Uf 13. the stairs to listen to th.is. '\'here was no television, -'!.;:amo·::bones nothing in these days. We (:licln' t have electricity. Q_. Was it called the Cat's \faiske:;.�s or sornetting:'? 1,. A crystal set. r:e w&s a wonderflJ.l rnfrn, Captain l..enrlerson, Emel nis wife, siie was a great Christian. Hrs. f;enderson vras a ve,.'y nice person too. Q. What about w11en you we:.--·e courting-'/ What was your time ·to co!ne in at night? l\.. Half-past 9, a cp:wrter 1.0 10. Any later an<l t:t.ey were out looking for yon. I had a friend, J·anet Cooper. My husband _:,_lee and hig ,Joim used to come from Danh.11ock tog:etL1er. l 1 u a Tuescfay night Jr.net and I wonld always be playing tennj s at tJ·,e !.;jg bonse a;:;d Alec and Jor-:.n would come there ::md pich us U- [ •, walk me down ·--.nc tiu.;t would be us bacl.,;: home. Uh, no, yon dirl not get out to all hours. J stj 11 object to my graud-d:n,g!J.ter - 10 o' cloch and she is just getting rec.dy to go out. I (1on I t know ·what she would bnve ti one if b.er Granpc. li.fad been alive. Q. 1'hey were quite strict wi-tn you'? !t. My parents were not what you would say strict, but you didn I t want ·to stay out any later. Q. You !mew you had got to be in by fa2at time? A. \fhb L was it. (1. Any street lights? -'"•• No street lights, no electricity fo.1.· yet:rs here. r. Not even gns 9 _:i.. No, nothing. The first electricity th£,t en.me !i.ere was when I was about 12 years old, tl-t,1t was w!,en we moved into our new house in Stirling St.reet because I can :dw<'l.ys re1,1ember the first thing everybody bought t.1en w,,:s au electric iron. Jt was a. m;_n t;".3. t car.1e ronnc': the doors c8.nvnssing. If yoil moveu into P.n Plectric house, yon needed everthing electric. I can always reme1:nt,,r it was ar:.. eJ.ec -ric iron tLat my !'-!um � Q. Wliat age wn.s your T'atL.er wLen li.e dieo': .. n ... died outside with n he�rt attcck. /ctnally, it w£c..S the Operdng: l;ry of t>:,e _'_owlinir Green. Sl,E ,:ad oeen a bowler ant� sl1e got a specj a 1 invitation to come to the D· ening Day. Everyone said how well she lool-·ea, hut I said "No, I 0011' t t::uow wrn, t it :is but slie does r.ot look well todi:iy", so w;"e" we cE.irne cn,t tbe Club House togeti:er she wiis in t;.e i,abi t of :roi!1g to my daughter's wl;o liver1 just 2cross the ro!lcl fr·or;; her for �:er me::,ls becc!.use she icad not been feeding herself. She �:::..d t;_,;,en ill and tl1ey tbou�ht it was mE<lnntrition. She just w;-.s not fee{ling Derself rig.ht, and I knew s;le wasn't either bec..:nse 1 had .iaer living beside me and she noved away. She wi.ntcd to go :round hes:i <le '..:.er friend into tl;e Old ]folks' houses, 1i1jch I didn't ngree with bec�use J coul� keep on eye on her where I was. Slie was on r1er way t·,one t,,:i s de.y, and I said tn remember .::.nd go straight to Flo's l'or !1er me1:�l, and J am going ur-stairs to take my blAzer and skirt off, Emd I will come round later, t'nd I just �ot np the st2irs that day when one of ,:iy friends s,,.i<l would I co�Je up quick, my Hother ;,,.,d fallen - jnst at tne bottom of U:e old Dullatur ll.cud, w�'!ere ti1e big stones are. sc1w a grou�-, of men standing around �,bont, anc'; my >:ot::-;er was still 011 the ground. 'l'hey would have l·:&d her u;:, jf sbe :1ad heen alive. <Tust lil,e that, but it was goor1 in 13. way. She woulrl 1:ave been a terrihle patient. She bhd no time for <>nyi1ody who WDS ill - no lime f._t ull. Yes, tLe old clnb - ::-,cross -fro.;1 the Sr.,ur [--ntel. I pl;.,yed foi' trie Connty L=,st ye::u. J started L,ere too . q_. Was t: ere uot a }'robl<•111 Rhout luch es pl.s.ying howls? .. ;. In the enrly rlays it was sn-;_·,po::se<l to he an old man's game • .,. j1 ° ined after my hus1;and died, [1nd it w,,s t�,e Gld green I st&rte<� on. I enjoyed it, l;ut )r,st vear ·was the best year I hnve had unr'. t:_,at is wi.,.at I said to them, why wait until I was 75 E:nci t:.:.en give me the l10nour of plr,yiu� ±'or r,1y County _r-,-- q_. Was tttere a lot of c'\j scrjminntion ag�inst women A. We hnd a conm1ittee on nur old club that sort of resented women coming in and were also aiainst the club beina licensed. J �i�n't fr.11 ant with them 3bout tb&.t. I don't think it is a .12·ooc: thin�, but tney were sort d' dying off and younrer ones ,,·ere comi!ig- in, ;:-;nr� -V 0 en t'..1e 1�,.clit:s ;rot in. I don• t see 1,.-..;y ti:ey stiOuld try to keep you o,:t. It is a lovely ,avilion. t,:. How long Jrns it been established? !i.. Our clnb ::iad its c:entenery just when J was Ludy President, tnat is �/5 years a,1r,o r.nd we '.1<•-d our centenery. It was well p�tronised �11 tjat time? A. Oh, yes - even tlte in,-1.oor �10w at the '.l'.:nm Centre is well ··-atrr·nised too. Who would provide the bowl ing green in the first .,.,l&ce? V/F,s it 8. - � l�o�cal council t· Lt would build it? A. J'.1ctually, tlie one we .,,re on just now is the Corporation. ·rhe or,her one was t/1e village. 'J.'hev did it themselves. Q. Was there not & locnl Conncj 1 for the villo.ge'? A. We nsed to ii0ve w:12t ,1e cc,lled the Parish Office /:ere. 12 pe,--;'le USP.Li to come on a Friday, c.ncl t.hey would stand in a. 4.ueue waitin:; t.o go in during the strike. (.1. Wht,t strike would tu&.t be'; ,L. Ti-;:e miners I stri:<.e I t.hin1•: ii; "\1/0ttld ue. O. In Hte }O's? tLr.t was where John ??? He wt:1.s Farish �1inister at the tir:1e, hnd they used to s tanc1 titere wniting to get parish money ii.S we Cis 11 ed j t tnen. Wh;:i.t sort of Wf,[;es woul<'i t,liey be earning? ·'-• Very little. I worked in tr,e bricln.01·ks rmd we thd only '.:.>/- one week and )0/- t'1e next. Q. ifny was -Lat? ;·,. Well, you subbed - wnat, was cE,lled a sub-week ;:-ind <• pay week. You subbed the 25/- one wee'.-: s.nd £1 the next weel,. (). You are r·eally talking r;.bf,at £2.5/- a fortnigllt':' 1 q. Was there much keeping of pi�eons in this in my mind talking t,bout r&ilway men. l0cr-e t ( <"rea? I was fassocif•ting it ,•.. Oh, yes. Hy l:.usr,r-.1.nd w;;.s a grc:at pigeon r�&n. I don't tt,int; t:-,ey h.ad r�cing �igeons e&rly on. It was sort of •-et birJs. �Y brotners Ell had wee doocot.si:,nct the Jti tchies h.sd doocots, E.nd tl,ey used to swap bi�·ds, but ny own husband tt1ey were into pigeon r&cins-r. 'i't1ey Jwd a bird whicn wc.s quite welfl u:, in t'.,eir ? racn,. It was mostly Condorrut. I don't ren1emter e.n:: r :11,d·r w.li.o !.1ad pi;eons for rKcing in Cm1bernauld. Ye�rs bnd ye�rs ��o it was Just pets �a� rd,bits. 1.;:. It was a sore point lmmclJing pigeon racin.[� i:.1 Condorrat? My J�usbtmd was frienc11�/ with the heids in Condorrat, and I rememLer one of ti1e men from Condorr.::-.·t sayin(! to me ti-iat vou must ue well-lrnown lJecnuse no110�·;s else got into the c1oocot ,mci. Alec i!nd got in. 'i. Tnlking :-,bout doncots, &re you rememl·•ering bie Gameker:per's doocot at ti1e hi;,; house? Was the do ocot in ,1se in these dc:ys? A. 'l'he pigeons flew out. <lnrl in, l,ut it wr:.,.s a ctifferent tvre of pie:eon more like a dove. I have two cor:ie on to the fence. C. Ring Collar DovFs? Yes. 'i'here were&. lot of t'.-ter,1 at Mr. Peaton's ,house. Did tl1ey nse them for enting? I cton' •· Lilink P.< 1 • >:rr brother ,,;';1:0 to s110ot wil<l 11ig;eo�'1s. Fe us.ed to go w:i t .11 '-fr. 'laylor fror.1 Kildrum. My broLler ased to give m:my &. lorry dri·ver on t;1e road down t;,e ;-igeons. \fo never ever cooi•.ed tnem, �ut we certainly coo:-:ed i·a�,bits. My f&tLer used to sell rabbits for l/6d. a pair. He got more for tlie skins ti,i,,u Le got :for the meat. L�. He cn.ught those on t:,e est.::te? rermission to kill -::.1,e v0r!11in. Q, So wi·en rl.ict i;hey ,£et time to go and do tuin:_-'S like s'.wotin�' ! ,l. Saturdays anct Sundays. 0, Did tjey not work on a 8aturdty.? Till 1:2 0' cluck. Hy Lusband l\Se.-l tc- ;>e ur tor 0:Je o' cluck r"c.d,; to go .fe use:d to ;;o :.'.or t�le first week af !:,he I',·lkirk ?u�l' to .:-1.::erfelct -' :for Whr;t aho11t you o.s a youn.;ster < 1 ,�. No. 'l'.i'"ere 1,ere no ":-.nses - very few buses. 'J.':,e f'nly '-.ns we would Fee in c-nr v:UL,_.c,e at one tjme ,,1-,p -•. �;e Eus:,r-Osie. 0. Yon {;id not go to Gh:s�ow <> You woul< 1 :,ave tr: go on t.t-i P train" Well, we <"1id go 011 t11e trsin. .r-iy Fat.i·:0r usefl tc get. free passes on II Fatter would i'tave free p.::.sscs, c-n,,. I c:,n remernLE:r g,-ing to ObE.n on the train. 1 can always rememb(,r going intc, ttis .-ree tearoom aml yon luiow wi1en you were cl-,ilGren ·we wonted thif'. and t.tat, and ,:_iy ;,•ot;·er suic' "Come on, out of :.ere. We will need to send for t!:e .. policeua11. 'l'nere were w,�c scones anc w:-icd, 2 }-'Tic,· tley were. c:=.ey wnulcl not be expensive but too dea:r :!.'or 1:.s. w,,at we neeclerl with us. 1 -·rnther day ,�an remernbe1•, I Wi·,uL, be c.; b,_,P.t 15. "Duchess of Montrose" rnunt.1 t,:r� loci:s witb a fT ee _nnss from the railway. J tt�ink we nserl to go to Prestwick qu.ite "- bit because my Father had sisters lived tPere, and we t....sed to fl"O 1.:·•ere by t;-o_in. We never went a.botlt, - ,_-.ot like now wLen I would maybe 2ay tJ-,at jf it is a nice c-iay I will be aw&.--; tc FalLirk for a run or Stirlin/: r You could not do t�at in ttese days. Did your Father remember t;1e cra:st; c:,t Cast.le Caiy. I can rememher t!:te -:-rr-.ei'.. £,t Castle Car:.r. I cune home witn ,:,be railway men tt;at nigl"lt. We cnne ecross the brid.q:e about 5 minutes before tiie actnal crash becfluse we i"Lad to run tv catcL t::e hns that nigl�t an::! 1�i1e only reason w,,y we got the !ms tJ__;u t ni1l:11t w&s it w ... s snc,wing. \fe cottlc1 .:.,E.rdly see for $now, and -uie 'bus had sto;)ped, und one persr,n �cad got on to it and t1;ey were !,olding it 1,�) for tiie was to Cumberru = ,.uld wnen t,-�-;- crash i![ppened because my brother wl10 a railwtty nirm, Llohn, he wns ti ere ;,:n.d l:·e worked wit.i": c: Mr-. Taylor, �--( v., ,. { <; was tl.1e Ham,gf:r of --0-t�&:ms Brickworks and hel ;;eil to take some of tl1e dead ant' injurer: out. Jl-:y :-.rot-er next tone, ,�o}y_r-t, he hadXrXJ.1egone anC:: he had Lel,Jed to bring so!llebody out an( tbou;f:(ht :it ,,,·,_s somebody fro1:1 the Langriggs, and ,-,hen he ,-ras put into tLis rilace wI:-,.ere e.11 tt.e dead were lying, lie had to cor,1e Lome. iJe was r-eally upset ahont it, hut my brotLer, John, he was well rPcommendeil f'or W; :=1t. he .�id t.ot Gi.0:Lt witl1 \ c---t?--� 1,-j-/ rn. Did U-,ey ever J'inc'l the actmcl ex)la.nation .tor what i1n.prenH1? They actually blam eel it on &. mc,n drunk because he wn.s cl emoted. I' ,,e was put into Queen Stt·cct. I can I t remenl.Jer n1s ua.n:e. Mind :,rou, I thou,7:ht the train was out _of i,is sectjon. Q. I tiliJJk it we.s a comhin::;.ti(,n of tl1e 1:,ad weatLe1· ,c;.•., well anc'l had visibility. He had severc:,l tTains all bacterl up. Q. \vlwre were these people from? We· e tiiey local? 11.• We Lad one !'!i'n1 who was frnn Dullatnr, a Mr. Arthur 1 :/ilson ••....•.. ·'?? They (there?) were two officials of Cmnbernau.ld Football Tear,i &t that time nnd one .lHiti be